The clichés defects at the 15 Centesimi (Plate 1 and 2)

[seemba]

Hi Morgan, I can help you by sending all the scans from Stritzl I have, but they only cover the "A" part.
Maybe Massimiliano or Bernhard have the other ones? I'd really appreciate if they post them here so I can save them!

Thanks in advance!
Alberto

[Berni17]

I made a discovery today. So far I knew that the A195 can be found at position 40.
Due to new additions to my collection, I have now also discovered an A195 with an approach of the St. Andrew's Cross.

A 195.jpg

So this cliché could also have been in the Pos. 60,120,180 or 240.

Best regards

[Berni17]

Then I found more cliché errors with examples.
In the case of 2 stamps, the position number is also on the back (pos. 128 and pos. 220).

Here are my pieces:

A 193 ?

A 193 fraglich.jpg

AXX.jpg

Damage to the 1st E at Centes

AXX (2).jpg

Pos. 220

Pos 220 (2).jpg

Pos. 128

Pos 128 (2).jpg

Maybe you can find the right cliché number (A-cliché) here.

Best regards
Bernhard

[fildoc]

Hi Morgan, I can help you by sending all the scans from Stritzl I have, but they only cover the "A" part.
Maybe Massimiliano or Bernhard have the other ones? I'd really appreciate if they post them here so I can save them!

Thanks in advance!
Alberto

iniziamo!
questo è A1
chi mostra A2?

[fildoc]

premetto che alcuni saranno introvabili
ed altri abbastanza diversi dal disegno di Strizl....

[Morgan68]

Hi Morgan, I can help you by sending all the scans from Stritzl I have, but they only cover the "A" part.
Maybe Massimiliano or Bernhard have the other ones? I'd really appreciate if they post them here so I can save them!

Thanks in advance!
Alberto

Alberto,

buongiorno e grazie molte.
Molto utili.

[seemba]

Nessun problema, Morgan!
Speriamo che arrivino le altre prima o poi..

Riguardo al "postaggio" degli altri, sfortunatamente sono ancora agli inizi nello studio dei difetti di cliché in modo serio quindi non potrò continuare la catena di fildoc.. almeno ora!

[seemba]

@Berni17 here my two centes about your 15 centes!

About the first couple, for me it's more like A120 than A193..
Second one could maybe be a beginning of A272?
Third one maybe A30?
Fourth one for me is A79, you can even see the principle of white on the C;
Fifth maybe A89 at an early stage?

What do you think about? Let us discuss it!

[lucasa]

I made a discovery today. So far I knew that the A195 can be found at position 40.
Due to new additions to my collection, I have now also discovered an A195 with an approach of the St. Andrew's Cross.


A 195.jpg


So this cliché could also have been in the Pos. 60,120,180 or 240.

Best regards

you totally right !! the cliche with the cross on the right is in the plate IA

A195 TAV IA poi pos 40 .png

[Morgan68]

Buonanotte a tutti

Lettera da Brescia a Desenzano.
15 cent con parte superiore della “S” mancante.
Potrebbe essere l’A127?

Grazie

img496.jpeg

[seemba]

Ciao Morgan,

sì, per me è proprio lui!

[Berni17]

@Berni17 here my two centes about your 15 centes!

About the first couple, for me it's more like A120 than A193..
Second one could maybe be a beginning of A272?
Third one maybe A30?
Fourth one for me is A79, you can even see the principle of white on the C;
Fifth maybe A89 at an early stage?

What do you think about? Let us discuss it!

@ seemba

I've looked at it again now.
So with the 1st picture I am of the opinion that it is an A 193. See again the comparison of both clichés regarding the 5 out of 15 cents.

A 120 vs. A 193.jpg

In the 2nd picture it is probably an A 272. Maybe someone has a pair or a strip with this error, then you could compare it.
For the others, I confirm that it is an A30, A79 and A89.

Thanks again for the hint.

Bernhard

[Berni17]

Buonanotte a tutti

Lettera da Brescia a Desenzano.
15 cent con parte superiore della “S” mancante.
Potrebbe essere l’A127?

Grazie


img496.jpeg

Hello Enrico!

I confirm that it is an A 127. I found 2 examples:

A 127 - A XX.png

A 127 - A 57.png

In the second example, a border print can also be seen and so we know that this cliché was in 2 different positions. But which positions are they?

Best regards
Bernhard

[Berni17]

iniziamo!
questo è A1
chi mostra A2?

Next, I'll show you an A2 through A5.

A2

A 2.jpg

A3 - A1

A 3 - A 1.jpg

A4

A 4.jpg

A5

A 5.jpg

@fildoc - Suggestion: Perhaps the A clichés can be combined with examples in one file (program).
I can show some of the A clichés (not all) as a practical example.

Best regards
Bernhard

[seemba]

Hi Bernhard,

no worries, I’m glad I helped. By the way, about the first one, I said A120 because you can see a little white sign inside the right side of the 5 and there are no signs of the other peculiar signs of A193. For me this remains an open question.

About the idea of making a file with clichés paired with examples, I can gladly help with my “computer skills”, so if you want we can keep in touch in shorter ways like emails or facebook, if you have it.

By the way here is my mail: albertoandrenuccix@outlook.it

Hope that Max is willing to help too!

[Morgan68]

Buonanotte a tutti

Lettera da Gorgonzola ad Artogne (1-8-1850) con (penso) A280 dello Stritzl

img495.jpeg

[Morgan68]

Buonanotte a tutti

Lettera da Brescia a Desenzano.
15 cent con parte superiore della “S” mancante.
Potrebbe essere l’A127?

Grazie


img496.jpeg

Hello Enrico!

I confirm that it is an A 127. I found 2 examples:

A 127 - A XX.png
A 127 - A 57.png

In the second example, a border print can also be seen and so we know that this cliché was in 2 different positions. But which positions are they?

Best regards
Bernhard

Thanks Bernhard

[fildoc]

About the idea of making a file with clichés paired with examples, I can gladly help with my “computer skills”, so if you want we can keep in touch in shorter ways like emails or facebook, if you have it.

Hope that Max is willing to help too!

in pratica vorresti veramente provare ad inserire per ogni difetto indicato da Strizl l'immagine di un francobollo vero?
come a suo tempo ho fatto con il motore dei timbri?
è un lavoro immane cercare tutti i 353 clichès...
ci vorra' certamente qualche anno....
Mario è d'accordo?
Senza di lui, questo progetto non penso si possa fare...

[fildoc]

tra l'altro i clichè , a volte, sono abbastanza diversi da quelli riportati da Strizl....
hai visto il 280?

[fildoc]

un altro esempio
l'A127 che probabilmente avete identificato giustamente:
Strizl prevede anche la rottura della grazia inferiore della seconda E di centes
e non segna altri difetti presenti
- tipo la modifica della cornice sopra la N di centes
- la figura del leone rampante nello scudetto completamente indistinta nelle gambe
- la terza galla nello scudetto di forma differente
- l'interruzione della cornice interna in alto a sx