The clichés defects at the 15 Centesimi (Plate 1 and 2)

[Berni17]

Hello Andrea!

In Austria and actually also in Germany, the following designations are common:

K, Kabinett (= luxury), that is above-average quality in all aspects of a brand, collector's price
P, Pracht, splendor (=finest), that is the usual commercial quality, with a certain range of fluctuation from slightly below average to slightly above average.
SS, sehr schön, very fine, (=fine), that is below average quality but worth collecting.

Best regards
Bernhard

[AndreaRM]

Hello Andrea!

In Austria and actually also in Germany, the following designations are common:

K, Kabinett (= luxury), that is above-average quality in all aspects of a brand, collector's price
P, Pracht, splendor (=finest), that is the usual commercial quality, with a certain range of fluctuation from slightly below average to slightly above average.
SS, sehr schön, very fine, (=fine), that is below average quality but worth collecting.

Thank you Berni!
Sometimes I find P!, P! undelined, Prachtstuck! and Prachtstuck! underlined.
Do you know the difference?

[Berni17]

Hello Andrea!

Whether underlined or not, with or without a call sign the meaning is the same. There is no difference.

P, P,Prachtstück, Prachtstück = P (Pracht)

Regards
Bernhard

[AndreaRM]

Hello Andrea!

Whether underlined or not, the meaning is the same. There is no difference.

P, P,Prachtstück, Prachtstück = P (Pracht)

Regards
Bernhard

And the exclamation point?

[Berni17]

Hello Andrea!

Whether underlined or not, with or without a call sign the meaning is the same. There is no difference.

Regards
Bernhard

[Berni17]

At Classicphil the lot no. 3028 auctioned. I noticed an interesting cliché error. I also discovered this in the 10 Centes, No. 82 II. Maybe you know more about this.

LosNr. 3028.jpg

82 II.jpg

Friendly greetings to everyone.
Bernhard

[lucasa]

hi Bernhard

it is a very important couple because is the first time we see the upper B with a good resolution . they should be in position 160 168 but it is still not sure 100%. they are on the right side of III quadrante .
Ferchembauer consider the cliche below as third plate but we have a good example from February 51.
Luca .

[Berni17]

Hello Luca,

Thank you for your contribution. I also show the back of the vertical pair and the certificate from Ferchenbauer. Here you can see that he classifies it as plate 2.
I suspect that based on my documents, it may be an example from Bergamo.

Definitely another interesting piece for research.

Personally, I also think that Puschmann's certificates are a little more precise, i.e. more in-depth, than those of Ferchenbauer.

Best regards
Bernhard

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Attest Ferchenbauer.jpg

[fildoc]

Personally, I also think that Puschmann's certificates are a little more precise, i.e. more in-depth, than those of Ferchenbauer.

Puschmann era anche un grande collezionista
un tipo alla Kimmel
Ha vinto una volta anche il VIPA!

certamente era superiore a Ferchenbauer

[Berni17]

I need your help!

I have 2 new pairs in my collection and I am trying to assign them to Stritzl according to the cliché defects. I'm not sure if I'm right about this.
I would also be interested in which position these 2 pairs were and whether the stamp can also be assigned to an A cliché in addition to A 107.

I hope you can help me and thank you in advance.

A 242 - A 75.jpg

A XX - A 107 fraglich.jpg

242 - 75.jpg

107.png

Best regards
Bernhard

[Berni17]

Then I have other stamps that I try to assign to the A clichés. Maybe you can help me too.

Best regards
Bernhard

A Cliches.pdf

A Cliches II.pdf

A Cliches III.pdf

[fildoc]

la prima coppia A110 e A247 del quarto quadrante

the first pair A110 and A247 of the fourth quadrant

[fildoc]

quello a dx dovrebbe essere filigranato ed è l'A17 posizione 84

the one on the right should be watermarked and is A17 position 84

[Berni17]

Thank you Massimiliano!

I'm totally wrong there.

As soon as I'm back in Vienna I'll show the watermark here.

Best regards
Bernhard

[lucasa]

Bernard you are not totally wrong . Both couple are very interesting because they show A75 in the first one and A17 in the second that are not consistent with the position and the adjacent cliches as shown in the wein sheet.
the one with A17 has a cliche on the left that has nothing to do with the one in position 83 . So far please look at the filigrana considering that there is the possibility that you will not find it and the two couples are from plate IA
late stuck. ( may be hell zinnoberrot not erstdruck)

Luca

[Berni17]

So the A17 has no watermark as we can see from the photo. Luca, you are absolutely right the two pairs can only come from plate IA (possibly late printing)
At least we now know that initially the A17 was originally in a different position.

AXX-A17 etc. (ohne WZ).jpg

Thank you again for this important note.

Best regards
Bernhard

[Berni17]

I also noticed that the numbers on the back obviously mean the position numbers.
Show you some examples here.

Position 23

Pos. 23.jpg

Position 36 (A84 ?)

Pos. 36.jpg

Position 51 (A111 ?)

Pos. 51.jpg

Position 60

Pos. 60.jpg

Position 178 (A228 ?)

Pos. 178.jpg

It would be interesting to see if you can also find Pos.-numbers on the back of your stamps.

Regards
Bernhard

[fildoc]

So the A17 has no watermark as we can see from the photo. Luca, you are absolutely right the two pairs can only come from plate IA (possibly late printing)
At least we now know that initially the A17 was originally in a different position.

questo mi riempie di gioia
infatti le due coppie non modificano la ricostruzione della seconda tavola!
ma ci confermano ancora una volta che tra la prima e la seconda tavola i clichè vennero completamente mescolati!

[Berni17]

I received a horizontal pair today which shows, among other things, a damage to the 5 as well as a spacer on the top right of the stamp on the right and part of the watermark on the bottom right.

I suspect that the stamp on the left is the A 120 cliché, but I'm not sure.
In my documents, I noted that it is in plate 1 at position 167.

Could it be that this pair stayed together and went from position 47/48 to position 167/168?
I would be interested in your opinion on this. The stamp shown on the far right may be an A 193.

A 120 fraglich.jpg

Übersicht.jpg

Best regards
Bernhard

[fildoc]