Argentina 1935-51 Definitives

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Here are the last groups. The images are mostly placeholders.





Two omissions corrected: I forgot the 5c typographed on 1E4 paper and the 1943 20p clay

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This is the last post for the first round. I will add material in the future, but I consider this range of postings to be sufficient to show that there are something like 300 issues, and that if anyone is interested in collecting this series, there is plenty of fun to be had.

Please visit the blog for this issue in English in the future:

http://arg3551.blogspot.com/

and if you can read Spanish, the sub-forum for this issue in 'Filatelia Argentina'

http://www.filateliaargentina.com.ar/fo ... m.php?f=43

thanks!!!!

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I have designed what I think constitutes a basic grouping of this series. These 48 pages would fit completely in a 24-page double-side presentation book. The collection consists of 320 items. For this exercise I will consider all incoming material game for this collection. I have just received the first item.

Here is the scheme for the first half of the presentation book



Here is the scheme for the second half of the presentation book



Here is the cover. 1 down, 319 items to go.



The letter was postmarked April 25, 1936.



Here is a detail of one of the 1 peso stamps.

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Here are the 10 stamps in this group, all on the 1E1 paper.



I invite you to visit their page for additional images:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... roup01.htm

Here is a gratituitous inclusion of one of my favorite covers. It bears the ten stamps and was mailed during the Buenos Stamp Exposition taking place late October 1935.

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Here is a stamp I am adding to the beginner's collection I have recently outlined. This is the 'two dots between M's' variety.

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These three blocks are good examples of three of the 1E papers (left to right, 50c1E2, 1p1E3, and 25c1E4)



The first block, of the 50c1E2, has two minor overprint varieties.



Top left stamp



Bottom left stamp



The block of the 1p1E3 has splattered ink for both plates.

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This 1pNGR has a small 'fake blue island' to the right of the map.

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This selection is also for the beginner's collection. The fronts and backs are matched for these images.

For the 5c, I find three papers in this selection





For the 10cBR, I also find three papers in this selection

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Here is a 25cNOP



And here is a beautiful cover with three 50cNOPs, properly dated 1948, when most of these stamps were first printed/issued. Notice that the thickness of the paper causes the perforation machine to choke.

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To be added to the beginner's collection









I wonder why one has an additional 1 peso in the rate, even though both are registered, appear to be of the same weight, and were mailed to the same destination.

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To be added to the beginner's collection

The 25c 'Servicio Oficial' clay was not issued as a regular stamp.



Clay 30c from 1930, a somewhat scarce stamp

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I am almost at the 25 percent mark with these additions. These lots have cost me approximately $50.





All stamps in this batch are shown here:

http://www.somestamps.com/domain-argent ... -053-1.htm

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I find two watermarks, each with variations: horizontal, small RA on very porous white paper; and vertical, with large, neat RA. I find both diffuse as well as clear. I find two types of background, one almost continuous, and another with lighter and lighter bands surrounding the sub-continent.

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The ones of type A with horizontal watermark, background somewhat neat







The ones of type A with horizontal watermark, diffused background





The ones of type A with vertical watermark, neat colors





The ones of type A with vertical watermark, dark colors





The ones of type B with horizontal watermark





The ones of type B with vertical watermark, first row; horizontal watermark, second row



The ones of type B with vertical watermark

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Una pregunta en tema de filigrana:

Pushed by the interesting study of our friend Tony/Rubiera, I examined my argentinian stamps: just few dozens, washed out by my father - many years ago - from letters written by some relatives living in Argentina. I am particularly interested in the two type of watermark with the sun and the letters ''RA''. Owing to their asymmetric shape, it seems to me thet we can find 16 different positions of the RA letters. I draw a little sketch (I apologize for the very poor quality) to clarify my hypothesys. I would like to know if all these positions are really possible to find on aergentinian issues.

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Riccardo:

The combinations you mention make sense, except that the way these stamps were printed, the inverted watermarks were not supposed to happen. By this I mean that the RA can be in four positions for small format, and four positions for large format stamps, but the mirror image of these is not supposed to happen. When it does, it means that the plate was used to print on the wrong side of the sheet. The RA should be positive from the front of the stamp always. If you have any where the RA is negative from the front of the sheet, I would like to see an image. I have not come across any of these!

Am I making sense?

tony

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These are all almost complete, and I would like to see if anyone has them complete on cover.

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The combinations you mention make sense, except that the way these stamps were printed, the inverted watermarks were not supposed to happen. By this I mean that the RA can be in four positions for small format, and four positions for large format stamps, but the mirror image of these is not supposed to happen. When it does, it means that the plate was used to print on the wrong side of the sheet. The RA should be positive from the front of the stamp always. If you have any where the RA is negative from the front of the sheet, I would like to see an image. I have not come across any of these!
tony

Dear Tony, thank for your answer. My sketch was purely theoretical. Following your indications I controlled part of my stamps and, in fact, I found only four positions, all with the RA letter ''positive'' from the front of stamps. I took as a model the positions of a classical asymmetric italian watermark (the winged wheel).
But there is a stamp you posted on the 31 th of august whose watermark seems wrong to me (it appears positive from the back)

25c1E3-1-missingA-1.jpg

Or I'm doing a mistake?

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Riccardo:

Yes! Thanks for looking at these so carefully. This is indeed the type of variety that I was mentioning, but I need to verify that I did not accidentally flip this image during editing.

thanks

tony

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Looks like there is only one of these in the plate, and because it shares a scratch upper rite with a more common variety of the same era, it is possible that this is a very late state of the plate. The watermark looks like the 1L3, with square RA.





It has the following flaws

Period upper left edge



Small scratch below 'REPUBLICA'



The scratch it shares with a more common plate variety



And another scratch, this one in the background...truly a great plate variety



Negative image of the scratch to the background plate