Fiume - Falsi ed originali

[valente62]

Hello Ivan
These Stamps are cancelled "FIUME (F 1 F) - 07 JAN 1919 N. 9".
What do you think?
E Voi forum-amici che ne pensate?
Grazie a tutti

Hello, it think that the overprints are originals and are soprastampa a mano del 2°tipo. I also think that the postmark 1F1 ir original. In one Italian article I find information that postmark 1F1 with date 7/1/1919 is forgery but same postmark is very often used on covers sent by Umberto Riccotti in 1919. I think all is original.

Thak, Ivan

Ciao

[Stefano T]

Ivan

What do you think about these overprinted stamps? Are they original or not?

Hvala

Stefano

[fiume]

Ciao: Ivan

What do you think about theese overprinted stamps? Are they original or not?

Hvala

Stefano

Hello Stefano,
Very interesting stamps. I can not be sure looking only scans, but there is a big chance that all stamps have soprastampa a mano del 2° tipo. Also 6, 12 and 20 fil. stamps looking like have original overprint. If I have right this are very rare stamps. Contact personal Sorani or Raybaudi experts and let as know their opinion. Ivan

[Stefano T]

Hvala Ivan

I'll certainly follow your advice.

And what's your opinion on these used stamps?

Grazie

[fiume]

Hvala Ivan

I'll certainly follow your advice.

And what's your opinion on these used stamps?

Grazie

Dear Stefano, your stamps are originals but I am not sure for the Fiume 1K1 postmark. Same postmark I have on Fiume revenues stamps but I never find this postmark on letters.
It is a mystery to me. Usually forge postmark can be find on forge stamps but on genuine ?
I am not sure if this postmark is original. In 1918 Fiume 1K1 (hungarian typ of postmark) was used by postal control. Moreover this is a new typ of Fiume postmark from 1920 (D'Annunzion time from September 12, 1919 till January 1921). In Italian language not exist character K. Many questions but I did not find any answer till today.

[Stefano T]

Ivan

Thank you very very much for your analysis
I have also this document: even more difficult or not ?

[luciano garagnani]

L'annullo K1K con la data in formato "italiano" Giorno/mese/anno non lo avevo mai visto.

[Stefano T]

Luciano
Desumo che il pezzo sia un grande "tarocco" filatelico
Carino, però, nell'insieme.

[fiume]

Ciao: Ivan

Thank you very very much for your analisys
I have also this document: even more difficult or not ?

Ciao Stefano, I have same Fiume revenues with this postmark. All stamps and overprints are originals but postmark ? First three revenues are rare. I never find any good information about this postmark.
Thatks for Scan. Great set of Fiume revenues.

[Stefano T]

Ciao Stefano, I have same Fiume revenues with this postmark. All stamps and overprints are originals but postmark ? First three revenues are rare. I never find any good information about this postmark.
Thatks for Scan. Great set of Fiume revenues.

It's a great pleasure for me !!!
Hvala Ivan

[Marco4x4]

Giusto per ravvivare questo interessante topic

Che ne dite di questi bolli?

Grazie

[Marco4x4]

E questa Raccomandata? Il bollo "Presidio Arditi..." non credo sia originale, ma il resto?

[fiume]

Giusto per ravvivare questo interessante topic

Che ne dite di questi bolli?

Grazie

All stamps have soprastampa a machina, only 40 fil. (Zita at left) have FALSE overprint. Postmark AG 1 AG and M 1 M often can be find on false stamps.

[fiume]

E questa Raccomandata? Il bollo "Presidio Arditi..." non credo sia originale, ma il resto?

Very, very interesting letter. I have seen this seal, but I can not tell if it is original. The stamp and postmarks G 1 G are originali.

[Marco4x4]

All stamps have soprastampa a machina, only 40 fil. (Zita at left) have FALSE overprint. Postmark AG 1 AG and M 1 M often can be find on false stamps.

Very, very interesting letter. I have seen this seal, but I can not tell if it is original.

Thank you very much Ivan

The stamp and postmarks G 1 G are originali.

Do you think should be "carta A"?

[fiume]

Do you think should be "carta A"?

No, I think it is carta C but this stamp have interesting „mouse“ dentellatura on the right side and damaged overprint (=RANCO). Many stamps from „Allegorie e vedute“ set of stamps have „mouse“ dentellatura. It is not present in Sassone but very interesting to collect.

[Marco4x4]

No, I think it is carta C but this stamp have interesting „mouse“ dentellatura on the right side and damaged overprint (=RANCO). Many stamps from „Allegorie e vedute“ set of stamps have „mouse“ dentellatura. It is not present in Sassone but very interesting to collect.

Very interesting, I didn't know.

Thank you very much for your advising

[pasco]

Ecco le scansioni di alcuni miei francobolli.
A mio modesto parere potrebbero essere tutte soprastampe a mano del 2° tipo ad eccezione del giornali verde oliva che potrebbe essere del 3° tipo.
che ne pensate?

Grazie a tutti coloro che vorranno aiutarmi

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[pasco]

Qualcuno è a conoscenza di una non catalogata varietà di colore (celeste / azzurro) del C38 qui riprodotto?
Che ne pensate?

Mauro

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[cirneco giuseppe]

Non so cosa intendi per varietà di colore, ma quello a sinistra mi sembra un B38