A tal proposito ti riporto degli stralci di conversazioni che invito chiunque a leggere anche nel dettaglio
sul seguente forum di filatelia
http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=25680#p1668870To try to collect all the world is just too hard
This sentiment has been expressed many times by many people on the Boards.
Well, it is not too hard. and I honestly believe that this is one of the more discouraging statements often put to potential new collectors than most anything else except "invest in stamps - you will make money" (No. 1 on my hate list)
Everyone who is familiar with my history in this Board knows that I collect world A - Z, and that is what I do.
In the past week or so, I have purchased specifically Cayman Islands, (traded) Belgium, purchased bulk Monaco, and who knows what I will get from the Chain letter thread.
I am just as excited when this stuff turns up as I was when my 5/- Bridge turned up and as I was when a 10 cent Portugal stamp turned up in a junk lot to complete a definitive set.
Yes, Virginia, you can be a world Stamp Collector! A simplified Catalogue and a heap of Stockbooks can provide thousands of hours of enjoyment.
To tell people that "World" cannot be collected suggests to me a form of snobbery, and a bit of elitism - "you must specialise and learn everything about a very limited area"
It also smacks of speculation that if you get good enough in your specific area, you can make money, and that is what is important.
I would even suggest that the tiny stockbook of 200 Sri Lanka (or whatever) would sell more quickly if world collecting was encouraged rather than saying that "it can't be done"
I have nothing at all against anybody who does specialise, and I admire people who devote time and effort to this end. but please leave generalists alone, and stop telling others that A - Z World collections are not a good idea.
Sorry guys and guyesses. I collect whole world and will continue to do so.
oppure:
Still a couple of days before I disappear to Libya,for a long rest,,and I thought it best to keep a low profile here before I go.
BUT there are a couple of little things that NEED to be set straight before this becomes another Dealer Bashing Thread,,
1st at no stage did I say Not To collect all world,,just thats its too hard,,,,major Difference there. :wink:
2nd a Couple of Posters here are saying things like "the Average Dealer would not want the AWC,"as the Margins would be better with a Specialized Collector and they will pay more,,etc,,
WRONG WRONG WRONG,,,,The Average Dealer really LOVES the World collector,, as this is where he makes MUCH bigger Margins,than the Specialized Collector,,who sometimes is only after Fly Spot material, and can spend HOURS going through BOOKS of Stock,to find one Stamp,for 50 cents,
When I buy at Auctions,I buy BULK lots that I break Down,,I.E. if I pay $500.00.at an Auction for a lot,,by the time I have finished with it,that lot may return me $1500.00. and that will be mainly mixed world stamps,
On the other hand if I buy one Stamp at an Auction,for $500.00. generally there is NO WAY I could turn around and resell the stamp for anywhere NEAR $1500.00.
So the BETTER Profits are in the bottom end of the market,also the happier customers, give me a World Collector every time,
oppure:
worldspecialist wrote:
Many of you collect worldwide or have seen w.w. collections .How big in size have you seen these collections get ...........150,000 or 200,000 or do they get bigger ?
I know three private collections that are in the range of 400-500,000 different worldwide stamps. All have been collected with patience and low budget.
o anche
In defense of Mr Boggler,
Does anyone seriously collect current modern all world?
Or did you stop at a certain year?
I'm not sure if you mean "seriously" in the sense of "actually/really" or in the sense of "not amateur/junior", but yes, I really do collect all world. Any country, any year. No cut-offs, no restrictions. (Well, okay, I try to avoid self-adhesives/peel-and-sticks but, other than that...)
It's what I like. What gives me enjoyment and makes me happy.
Yes, I know my collection will never be "complete". That's okay. It'll probably never be worth anything either. It's mostly composed of common, low-value definitives. That's okay too. It's given me hours of entertainment and will continue to do so and I've learned a lot along the way. And... at least I'll always have something to collect!
That being said, I have nothing but admiration for the specialists and "serious" collectors. It's just not for me right now. Maybe my tastes will change. Maybe someday it will be. But I do this for enjoyment above all else, and what I enjoy right now is the whole world!
e
A question that goes hand-in-hand with worldwide collecting is how you record your items. More specifically how have you created a system so when you go to stamp fairs you know what you need - or do you simply just mark off each item in a Gibbons SOTW and carry the 4/5 volumes with you?
I have no recording system at all - just my stockbooks full of stamps, placed in Gibbons catalogue order, but using the 22 part system (e.g., most French Colonies will be in two places, as French colonials and as independant nations, Hong Kong is under British Commonwealth, and then China after 1998 (?)).
But I go through fads, and oddly enough, always seem to be able to come up with something that works. I went through a South America/Central America fad several years ago, and managed to find a part time dealer who would send one country "big bags" of many of these countries and I could simply buy the ones I wanted at 20 cents each.
This may seem a steep price, but they were approvals, and I sort through them at home, at my leisure, could take or leave what I wanted, which meant no duplication at all, in itself a saving.
The same thing happened with Middle East (same dealer) when I got the hots for (real) Yemen, UAE and Israel. And one lot gave me a $40.00 catalogue Abu Dhabi stamp for 20 cents. I count that as a win.
When I went to GEEPEX80 recently, I decided that I needed to fill some pre war Germany and some Australian Territories items, so I simply took the appropriate stockbooks with me and compared what I had to dealers stocks. I came away with about 80 stamps and was very pleased with the result.
As for the rest, I still buy the odd junk box, just for the thrill of the chase, and still manage to fill some gaps, or I buy specific selections with (not too much) duplication place the stamps I need and trade the rest. It's all good.
e
I'm actually surprised that more collectors don't maintain a worldwide collection as a secondary interest to their main specialization(s). My 1840-1940 worldwide collection takes me back to what fascinated me as a beginning collector, the opportunity to own what were then unobtainable stamps like Penny Blacks and Cape of Good Hope triangles intermingled with a chance to relive inexpensively enjoying tens of "thousands of coloured windows into time and space." But I do see evidence of increased interest in worldwide collecting: threads like this one on multiple discussion boards, mystery author Lawrence Block's column in Linn's, the success of the Scott Classic Catalogue, the reprinting of the Minkus Supreme Global Album 1840-1952, more blogs by worldwide collectors, etc. There may be hope yet!
e
Perhaps the problem is that people associate specialization with value; WW collections generally consist of quantities of mainly cheaper stamps, hence many consider them "inferior".
Which gets to the old question of cheap versus scarce. Even though the Scott "Blue" International album I use holds only about 40% of the stamps issued between 1840 and 1940, it still contains spaces for stamps that are extremely difficult to find. Some of these, admittedly, should never have been in the album (e.g., the 1923 Syrian Sower error, 25c on 10c green, Scott 106a, YT 90a; I don't think the error is in SG--this stamp by the way is my avatar). But many others are not expensive, just much harder to find than their catalog value suggests (e.g., Colombia's 1917 Special Delivery Stamp, Scott E1, SG E373). Perhaps this is why, to my knowledge, only two collaborating collectors have ever completed the album although I am aware of another collector who came within a handful of stamps of that goal. And I'm not certain how much in the hole financially you would be if you did try to sell. My album is 50% complete and the average cost per stamp is still only 14 US cents). So fun, challenging and not necessarily a money pit.
e
Thanks everybody -who posted,im learning a lot about how others view worldwide stamp collections . My view is different than some ,I believe stamp dealers welcome worldwide collectors as a way first to clean up that messy backroom or inventory which all dealers must purchase just to get the better material . The second point is that the percentage of return to the stamp dealer is both higher in the return in selling worldwide collection lots and my thinking is they can sell it faster . For example a dealer who purchases a high price speciality item has to deal with three things a very small market of buyers ,and the expense item my sit in stock for months if not years to get his price on the resale.Also the dealer has to know something about the stamp {like is it real and is somebody else is going to dump many of that same stamp at discounted price} . ----------my feeling is that you can't go wrong buying huge collections and inventory at a penny each if you always got a market out there by lineing them up on a stock cards and listing them on the internet at twice your purchase price ,remember McDonald 's sold millions if not billions of burgers cheap to make a huge profit every year . ...lol ,sorry got carried away with that point.
e
He has taken on the daunting task of collecting the whole world from day one to the present...all cancelled no less and he is SERIOUS.
-FK
Well, I would not call myself or my goals serious
I started collecting the world when I was a kid, I'm now on my mid-thirties and I still collect the world. And pretty likely I'll continue do it till I'm six feet under. If I manage to add at least 10-30 new stamps a day throughout the rest of my life, I should quite easily land up with a collection that is literally bigger than life.
It's just basic maths really... The average lifespan of Finn is 80 years. So if all goes well, I hope to collect "actively" at least 60 years, possibly even longer. This equals 21,915 days.
If I add approx. 10 stamps a day, this means my collection would be 219,150 stamps.
If I add approx. 20 stamps a day, this means my collection would be 438,300 stamps.
...
So at least on theory level, it's very much do-able to build a somewhat complete world collection. I acknowledge that I will never hit 100% completion, as it would be too expensive for any mortal. But the number of stamps that cost 200$/€ or more is actually very limited (around 10,000 stamps if Michel's Valuable stamps of the world catalog is to be trusted). So in the end, coming up with "decently complete" world collection takes nothing but a time, devotion, and some storage space.
And like said several times on this discussion, it's all about having fun with what you're doing & collecting.
o
kerailija,
Any idea on the number of stamps issued, to date, worldwide?
1840-1940: ~81K
1941-2000: ~412K
2001-2010: ~127K
But of course these figures relate fully to catalog used. What constitutes a major number in one catalog, may be nothing than a minor variety in another. And then there's stuff that is not listed by some (such as Ajman, Manama etc). My counts are based on Michel, likely SG and Scott are in the same ballpark (+/- 10%).
o
SAFI-----You asked "how does one arrange whole world collections" ........its a lot of time and a true love of the hobby.
Many serious worldwide collectors reach the 100,000 different stamp level and only a small fraction ever get up to 140,000 different. In the U.S. only about 6 have ever reached the level of 200,000 different goal. Some were up at those higher levels collectors start to dump serious money on both high price stamps or sets and then start looking at specialty collections . There is very little written in the philatelic press about how they arrange their buying and how they keep their collection.
For a collector to exceed 230,000 different a few points should be noted; first, they're not handling individual stamps or soaking stamps or mounting them one at a time . They are buying other worldwide collections or country collections to slam up against their collection. Also they're buying from major auction firms and consigning their picked over material back to the firm.
The most we can learn about these top tier collectors would be from the stamp auction houses because these top worldwide collectors buying history would be known to these stamp auction houses.
e
How can a world collector keep up?
Paul, if you are confusing "collecting the whole world" with "completing the whole world", the answer is easy. I can't and don't even try.
But if "collecting the whole world" simply means a nice representative collection of between say 500 and 5,000 of major countries, completing dead areas for which you have the hots, or all affordable stamps from, say Newfoundland, Basutoland and Canada it is not that difficult.
And simply adding modern stamps at the end that turn up in a junk lot, or an album, or a swap, or a used circuit book, or as an extra in an auction (and you know they do) does not become an issue. I am not silly enough to believe I will ever have a huge % of the worlds different stamps, although some countries I do have 100% (simplified), New Zealand about 98%, Australia complete to 2000 missing two stamps, Canada and USA complete runs from the '30's to up around 1998, and even about 85% of Communist block stamps up to about 1985.
When you are not a completionist, it's not that hard. It's just a lot of fun, because even with what I own, there are still lots of old 10 cent stamp gaps out there. The joy is in slotting them in where they are missing, and if they don't come, well there is always a missing 10 cent stamp from somewhere else that will turn up to be slotted in.
ho pubblicato un po di interventi tanto per stuzzicare l'appetito più facilmente
ciao
_________________
come e' nata la prefilatelia sta per nascere la postfilatelia. Nessuno voglia scegliere come nickname postfil ? 
